Talk:John Hunyadi

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Hunyadi is not a Romanian[edit]

I have been trying to edit this article since it states that he was a Romanian, but at that point of time the idea of Romanian identity didn't not exist, in fact it didn't exist till the end of 18th century. He may have had a ROMAN descent through the ancestry of one of the parents but even then Roman and Romanian are not equivalent. Boris (talk) 07:56, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Nobody states that he was a Romanian. He was descended from a family of Romanian origin - this is what is stated in the article. Yes, possibly the reference to a Vlach ancestry might be better. Borsoka (talk) 08:26, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

I have tried to edit this as well. I suggested the removal of the word Hungarian, as he was not Hungarian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mspiotti (talkcontribs) 12:18, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

And I suggest as Boris has recommended, not to attribute any kind on national identitiy to Hunyadi, as 1: there was no such thing as national identity back then, and 2: stating one or the other stirs up a nationalist hornet's nest as we can see. It would be better just to remove this untrue and unsettling statement. --Marci von Heves 09:59, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

National identity is an existing thing since at least the 12th century in Europe. --Norden1990 (talk) 10:12, 20 January 2018 (UTC)


He was a romanian. But all this articles are botted by hungarian nationalists. Vlach is a exonym given by the germans to the romanians.

John Hunyadi, bore the nickname "Olah", meaning "Vlach", in his youth, which implied that he was of Romanian stock.[1][2] The court historian of Voyk's grandson King Matthias Corvinus, Antonio Bonfini, explicitly stated that John had been "born to a Vlach father".[3][4] Holy Roman Emperor Frederick III likewise knew that King Matthias had been "born to a Vlach father", and a Venetian man, Sebastiano Baduario, referred to the Romanians as King Matthias's people.[5][6]

The court historian of Voyk's grandson King Matthias Corvinus, Antonio Bonfini, explicitly stated that John had been "born to a Vlach father"

The court historian of Voyk's grandson King Matthias Corvinus, Antonio Bonfini, explicitly stated that John had been "born to a Vlach father"

The court historian of Voyk's grandson King Matthias Corvinus, Antonio Bonfini, explicitly stated that John had been "born to a Vlach father"

Wikipedia is a sad place full of brigated admins. They restrict anything that doesent fit their agenda. Like this article cannot be eddited because the hungarian mod is aggressively edit protecting it, and reverse any changes that doesent fits his agenda. there is no proof he was a hungarian, there is no writing he was a hungarian. But because he was the king of hungary the wikipedia mod makes him a hungarian, because doesent fit their nationalist agenda of faked history. Just another proof hungarian mods on wikipedia are the worst. They only fake history and asumes one that comes from a romanian noble family wich was called a vlach is a hungarian . How does that even makes sense? Well it doesent but because this wikipedia articles is agresively faked by the hungarian nationalists, it cannot be writen with any history proof that doesent fits their agenda.

WP can be edited by anyone who can understand and apply basic principles. Instead of sharing your quite strange personal views with other members of our community, you should read and apply the basic policies. I suggest you should seek assistance at WP:Teahouse.Borsoka (talk) 16:39, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
As well, this user should make a little investigation about what is the meaning and/or the difference between nationality, ethnicity, identity or origin, and similar concepts...(KIENGIR (talk) 19:44, 3 April 2018 (UTC))

References

  1. ^ Kubinyi 2008, p. 7.
  2. ^ Pop 2005, p. 294.
  3. ^ Bonfini, Antonio (1995). "A magyar történelem tizedei [=History of Hungary in Ten Volumes]". Balassi Kiadó. Retrieved 2014-04-20.
  4. ^ Kubinyi 2008, p. 9.
  5. ^ Armbruster 1972, p. 58.
  6. ^ Pop 2012, p. 14.

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2017[edit]

89.176.197.149 (talk) 20:07, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

The article claims that John Hunyadi had a Romanian ancestry. This is wrong, since: -there was no such thing that Romanian that time, as we speak about times way before the Romanian ethnogenesis. -sources claim his father, Vajk was not Vlach, but Cuman/Tatar, see link below: https://books.google.co.uk/books?ei=V-l5TannFomFhQe2p53pBg&ct=result&hl=hu&id=kNkTAQAAMAAJ&dq=Cuman+origin+Hunyady&q=Tatar-Cuman#search_anchor

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template.
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Morphdog (t - c) 18:14, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
The Romanian ancestry is supported by WP:RS. 123Steller (talk) 05:42, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

He is Romanian. Romanians lived in Transilvania, Wallachia and Moldova. They were all Romanians, and all spoke Romanian. How about of Transylvanian decent, whose native language was the Romanian language, which was widely spoken by all nations in all three Romanian regions of Wallachia, Moldova and Transylvania. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mspiotti (talkcontribs) 12:24, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 December 2017[edit]

change "John Hunyadi (Hungarian: Hunyadi János, Romanian: Ioan de Hunedoara; c. 1406 – 11 August 1456) was a leading Hungarian military and political figure in Central and Southeastern Europe during the 15th century. According to most contemporary sources, he was the son of a noble family of Romanian ancestry. He mastered his military skills on the southern borderlands of the Kingdom of Hungary that were exposed to Ottoman attacks. Appointed voivode of Transylvania and head of a number of southern counties, he assumed responsibility for the defense of the frontiers in 1441.

to

John Hunyadi (Hungarian: Hunyadi János, Romanian: Ioan de Hunedoara; c. 1406 – 11 August 1456) was a leading military and political figure in Central and Southeastern Europe during the 15th century. According to most contemporary sources, he was the son of a noble family of Romanian ancestry. He mastered his military skills on the southern borderlands of the Kingdom of Hungary that were exposed to Ottoman attacks. Appointed voivode of Transylvania and head of a number of southern counties, he assumed responsibility for the defense of the frontiers in 1441.

explanation He is not a Hungarian military and political leader. He is Romanian, and descending from a noble family of Romanian ancestry. There is no point in stating he is Hungarian. He is not Hungarian, and there are many reliable sources that can prove this statement. Mspiotti (talk) 12:12, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBriTalk 15:43, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2020[edit]

please change Although, Romanian national consciousness did not embrace him to the extent that Hungarian national conscience did. to However, Romanian national consciousness did not embrace him to the extent that Hungarian national conscience did. I think that the adverb However would be a better choice in this context than Although. 82.137.12.222 (talk) 20:48, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

We should see the original quote from the source, because like so as well it may sound tricky, since we don't know even he had any Romanian national consciousness....(KIENGIR (talk) 17:39, 9 April 2020 (UTC))
 Done {{replyto}} Can I Log In's (talk) page 17:28, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Unneeded inclusion of Hungarian[edit]

I believe the inclusion of Belgrade's Hungarian name is not necessary. The article is written in English, and the city is known in English by that name. I believe this is in line with Wikipedia naming conventions.

Wikigreenwood (talk) 16:21, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
@Wikigreenwood:,
naming conventions allow to use historical names in a relevant context, as the Hungarian one is relevant that time, so complete elimination is not supported.(KIENGIR (talk) 18:25, 21 June 2020 (UTC))