Talk:Multi-stage fitness test
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'Velocity' or 'Speed'
Just a quick note, think that saying that an increased velocity is requried is technically wrong. Velocity is a vector quanty and therefore is opposite for the 'there' and 'back' of each shuttle. The magnitude of the velocity is what is increasing, and this is speed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 14:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Confusion over the official timings
A contact of mine has been talking to Luc Leger, the inventor of the original 20 metre multi-stage fitness test. He says the timings used by the National Coaching Foundation UK (NCF) are not the original timings that were used by Luc in his original test. He explained that his original version started at 8.5 km/hr and increased by 0.5 km/hr for each level thereafter.
To confuse matters further, I also have a copy of the table from the eurofit provisional handbook that references Leger's 1982 paper (which I also hold a copy of). The timings in the handbook are the same as the NCF timings.
Ian Bickerton (Bitworks, Sports Software), I too have all the original papers including the 1982 Eurofit Appendix, this provides the timings for the Beep Test. I agree with Luc Leger the NCF is wrong on a number of the timings, however this only affects the first stage run speed 8.5km/h or 8km/h, the second stage is 9km/h and then increases 0.5km/h for every stage. Since the first few stages of the beep test are really a warm up this small difference in the stage one run speed does not affect the test result. More of a problem is that content keeps being deleting and hacked, this is expert content from people like Luc Leger trying to correct this article!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 07:54, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
However, as far as VO2 max goes there is no difference in results between the two tests so either can be used.
Luc Leger also said he updated Wikipedia himself a few times with bits of information and within days someone had changed it back!
The table of timings below shows the timings used by the NCF and the timings stated in the Eurofit Provisional Handbook (Strasbourg 1983).
|Level||Shuttles||Speed (km/h)||Seconds per shuttle||Total level time (s)||Distance (m)||Cumulative Distance (m)||Cumulative Time (min and seconds)|
More to come...
Total level time for level 6 is wrong. It should be 65.45 seconds. 11km/h = 3.05555m/s
10 shuttles of 20m at 3.06m/s = 10 x 20 / 3.055555 = 65.454545 seconds.
I have a comment. Please bear with me if I'm not doing this correctly. I'm new to Wikipedia. My comment is as follows:-
The table of distances in the Calculations section can't be right. Each level consists of a whole number of 20m shuttles, so it's not pdfgdfgffddfge for level 1 to be 142m, level 2 to be 150m, etc. In fact, I think that level 1 consists of 7 x 20m shuttles and takes just under 60 seconds, level 2 consists of 8 x 20m shuttles and takes 64 seconds, etc.
Note that this is supported by the table further down this discussion page. At the Level 1 speed participants would complete 7.083 shuttles in 60 seconds and at the Level 2 speed participants would complete 7.5 shuttles in 60 seconds. However, a level can't include a fraction of a shuttle.
Now, what's the best way of getting this information incorporated into the main page?
--AOMackenzie 21:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
It's rather unfortunate that someone spammed your message. You'll have to rewrite what you ment, I have no clue what you are asking here. Sorry!01:18, 20 December 2007 (UTC)Johanna451940 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk)
To answer your question, each stage is only approximately 60 seconds but is exactly a set number of laps. This is to avoid a speed increase mid lap/shuttle. Look closely at the table on the main page.
As to the discussion on high scores, you need to take into account the effort/energy in making each turn. There is no justification to compare the beep test with straight 400m/5000m running by calculating average speeds over the entire fitness test - it's stop, start every 20m! Ian Bickerton (Bitworks - Sports Software)
What's the highest level obtained on the test? Has anyone made level 23? — Matt Crypto 02:31, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- By my calculations, to reach level 23 you would need to sustain an average speed of 5.28 m/s (crossing 20m in 3.789 seconds) over 300 meters (15 x 20, stop-starts not included). Not to mention the last twenty-odd minutes of exertion. Quite impressive. If I could find a precise definition of the test, that would be even better. Tzarius 05:37, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
|Speed (km/h)||20m in x seconds||Shuttle runs in 60 sec|
Names of those who have high scores on the test=
As for the comment about Armstrong, Beckham, et. al., reaching a 23 level, that is sheer folklore and not substantiated anywhere. Get rid of that statement, please. Goodness, the top soccer players in the world typically reach only level 16 or so. For those who care, to reach a level of 16 requires each 20m leg to be run approximately at a sprint speed of a 400m runner! Unless your name is Paul Roberts, who is the only known human to have completed the test, in his days at Nelson Football Club. Paul recently achieved legend status for this accomplishment.
Finally, who in blazes is Danielle C.? I never heard of her.
Toketeeman 21:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
- Unless proper citations can be found, I don't believe any of the names should be placed in the main article. I've removed them until the references can be found. Nposs 17:41, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
The BBC site linked at the bottom of this page quotes Rio Ferdinand as claiming Beckham can complete it. Moenaro427
- I'm a little skeptical of that BBC claim, maybe they confused the beep test with something else (ie. club specific test) or simply they counted wrong (beep test scores are often misquoted). I don't think Ferdinand and Beckham are the fittest players nor athletes around. Anyways, here's some stats from the 2006 AFL Draft and potential future star players - . Compare the 3km(~2mile) time trial with the beep test. Midfielders require exceptional stamina levels. - Htra0497 02:11, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
About the speed of a 400m runner: The world record is 400m in 43.18 s by Michael Johnson. That's 9.26 m/s or 33.35 km/h. According to the tablet, the Multi Stage Fitness Test does not even come close to that! About top soccer players: I myself have just recently completed 14-1, a fellow of mine even 14-13. Both of us are only low regional Badminton Players. A professional should be able to do MUCH better than that! Gan Fort (talk) 11:47, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Well, we have the same rumours here in Sweden about the former international football player Håkan Mild. He comments the rumours on this site: http://www.gt.se/nyheter/1.976787/las-chatten-med-arets-goteborgare-hakan-mild.
Translated by me:
"Matte: I've heard a rumour that you've completed the whole Beep-test. Is that true? Håkan Mild: No, I haven't completed it, but I've come quite close for fiftheen years ago. I ran until I hit 19.20."
- Running the whole test amounts to 4,780 metres in 22:06. The world record for 5,000 metres is 12:37.35. Obviously the structure of the run is very different, but I would be surprised if a top 5,000 metre runner couldn't reach the end. That makes me wonder about the suitability of this test for selecting military officers, as world class 5,000 metre runners are skinny little chaps, which is surely not the best possible build for a soldier. Abberley2 (talk) 23:12, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Responding to Abberley: Though I'm not a "top 5000m runner" I can easily do 5k straight in less than 22 mins (best is 15 mins), but that did not prepare me for the beep test (best is 9.7). Using average speeds is completely misleading. Distance runners, I think, will generally do poorly - the footballers (all codes) probably the best. I'd be surprised if even Haile Gebrasellasie (?) gets close to the end. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 03:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
The Australian Defence Force
The Australian Defence Force uses a modified version of the beep test. The minimum level of requirement is level 7.5, but this accounts to 56 shuttles, or a total of 1120 meters in 6 minutes and 30 seconds. If somebody wants to fix the article, then go for it. Here's the link:
- I don't believe it actually is a 'modified' version, they're just running to a certain level then stopping. Writing it out may help clarify it. Starting from Level 6, Shuttle 10 (1020m) + 1 shuttle to 7.1 = 1040m + 1 (7.2) = 1060m + 1 (7.3) = 1080m + 1 (7.4) = 1100m + 1 (7.5) = 1120m. Each shuttle isn't deemed complete until you reach the far line, stop and turn around so merely running on 7.5 and collapsing mid way won't allow you to get 7.5, therefore X person scored what X person successfully completed previously, in this case: 7.4. Does that clarify it?
- DeltaFalcon talk / contribs 14:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
Info on VO2 Max estimation needed
Links to other comprehensive beep test sites
Why is Wiki deleting the most comprehensive guide to the beeptest on the www, namely http://www.topendsports.com/testing/beephome.htm ... it would be very useful for wiki users (Ian Bickerton, Bitworks)
This site contains:
- Test Procedure — - Calculating Your Score — calculator to help determine your VO2max equivalent score from your beep test results.
- Beep Shuttle Listing — listing of the number of runs for each level of the common version of the test.
- Maximizing Your Score — hints on how to get the most out of the beep test, and reach your true potential. Also training for the beep test — reaching your targets.
- What's your best score? — a large database of results for athletes from a variety of sports.
- Purchasing the beep test cd — information on how and where you can purchase a beep test cd or tape.
- Test Videos — video examples of the beep test being conducted.
- See the Beep Test Table which has all the timings and speeds for the commonly used beep test
- Download the Beep Test Recording Sheet
- Beep FAQ — some common questions and answers about the beep test. See also the Shuttle Tests Board in the Topend Sports Community Forum —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 22:15, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Beep vs bleep
Interval increasing or decreasing
In the Rules section, the article states "As the test proceeds, the interval between each successive beep increases, forcing the athlete to increase their speed over the course of the test", surely the interval between each successive beep decreases? 22.214.171.124 (talk) 01:32, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Table of numbers
“The grid” removed the table of numbers (i.e., levels, lengths, speeds, durations, & distances, etc.), stating it was beyond the scope of Wikipedia. I cry foul!
Please put it back, unless it is very inaccurate. Somebody researched this information, and entered it. It seemed like good information. I for one, have referred to it during my training. Please restore the table. Lyndon Gordon (talk) 16:23, 2 October 2020 (UTC)