User:Halibutt/Archive3

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This is but an archive. Please add new comments in new sections on my Talk page. Thanks in advance. Halibutt

Pronounciation and Gdansk

I agree that the pronounciation is not needed twice. However, I'd strongly suggest that it was put in the very same place as in other Polish cities - as the first link after tha name. That's how it is done in other multimedia encyclopaedias and that's where those links are in other articles about Polish cities. Check List of Polish cities for reference. If you believe that the place or format of the .ogg link should be changed - just tell me, but let's take the decision together and change all the articles consistently, not just one out of fifty articles. Consistency is the way to go here. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 08:14, Oct 13, 2004 (UTC)

Also, the former, other language and additional names are put in brackets, not after coma. If you oppose this naming policy established long ago - please take part in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cities/Names issues. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]]

First, I appreciate the conciliatory and cooperative tone of your comment. That kind of attitude is less common than it ought to be on Wikipedia. I understand your desire to maintain consistency, and I agree. However, from the standpoint of an being an encyclopedia (and not, say, a dictionary), I don't see that pronunciation is the most salient feature of anything, and therefore really shouldn't be the first piece of information presented in an article. It seems the most sensible thing to do would be to put pronunciation information as the last sentence of the first paragraph of each article. I agree it makes the paragraph awkward to have the Polish pronunciation twice. Let's move all the pronunciation information (and just the pronunciation information) to the end of the first paragraph. I hope you will agree that is the best solution. I have successfully used a similar approach in other articles I have added pronunciations to. See for example Xhosa language, guacamole, and bidet. I will concede that for those articles where only a single pronunciation is given, it doesn't get in the way when placed immediately after the name because it is easily skipped over, but when that information is expanded enough to form a complete sentence, it makes sense to keep the pronunciation information together, and put it elsewhere in the first paragraph. Also, I wanted to note that neither of the pages you linked to have any information about placement of pronunciation information. Perhaps a default should be agreed upon.

As for the parentheses, I barely noticed that I removed them. I didn't realize there was a policy about this and have no problem your putting them back. Nohat 09:11, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Ipa-chart-suprasegmentals.png

Hi, I don't actually speak any Polish; I was just basing my transcription on a listen to the recordings. The IPA is pretty much standardized; you can see a version of the official chart at International Phonetic Alphabet. The relevant section is above. I'm not sure about what particular deviations from the IPA standard are common among Polish linguists, but it seems we should use the international standard variety on Wikipedia because readers will come from many different backgrounds. Techincally, neither the colon (:) nor the single quote mark (') are part of the IPA. Primary stress is marked with ˈ (ˈ), which is the Unicode character MODIFIER LETTER VERTICAL LINE (U+02C8). Secondary stress is marked with ˌ (ˌ), which is the Unicode character MODIFIER LETTER LOW VERTICAL LINE (U+02CC). The colon, or more properly MODIFIER LETTER TRIANGULAR COLON ː (ː) denotes a long vowel, and is placed after the vowel symbol. Stress is not usually marked on single-syllable words except when transcribing whole sentences and the single-syllable word has word stress.
I first learned IPA in my introductory linguistics course at Cornell University. Nohat 01:05, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Ja bym napisał: According to the Polish Copyright Law Act of February 4, 1994 (Article 4, case 4) - reszta chyba OK. Ale nie jest do końca jasne, czy herby miast też tu wchodzą. Pibwl 11:14, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Piła

my answer on the discussion page (on the german and the english one) hope it helps; for more informations feel free to ask me (please at my german Wikipedia-page)...Sicherlich 15:03, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

new answer at Talk:Pila ...Sicherlich 10:19, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Rzesz%F3w & Rzeszow

  1. I can't see table in [[Rzesz%F3w]], but I see this it in Rzeszow, why? please help me.
  2. What is '{Template:Agglomeration}' in the table. Fqsik 09:27, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)


Łódź <->Lodz

as i saw several times, the english WP is not using polish letters in lemmata for polish cities. is there a reason? i was thinking about moving some (like Lodz to Łódź) but i dont know if there are reasons and my main area is the german WP as i speak the language a bit better ;) ... could you please tell me on my german page thx ...Sicherlich 10:24, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Western betrayal

Answered on my talk page. Andris 18:56, Oct 14, 2004 (UTC)

kilka drobnych pytan

Bedzie po polsku:

Ad1. Skąd bierzesz obrazki takie jak Image:Mazowsze_Warszawa.png ? - kopiujesz z jakiejś strony, przerysowujesz, czy jeszcze inaczej.. (chodzi konkretnie o to - skąd takie ładne linie granic między powiatami)

Ad2. Jeżeli mam herb, flage itd. to czy po przerysowaniu w jakimś programie moge udostępnić go na dowolnej licencji? To narazie tyle ;) Fqsik 16:48, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Coat of Arms project

My vote, FWIW, is that the arms should be separate from the family. You may have noticed that I've been inserting Category:Polish coats of arms, following a line of reasoning completely unrelated to Polish history: Eventually we'll have a gigantic heraldic database here, and I would like to see it indexed (probably by robot) according to the heraldic charges; for heraldic and historical research this would be extraordinarily useful. All the Polish and everybody else's arms would fit into the scheme: someone with a coat of arms or a blazon in front of them could event enter the elements of the blazon, and Wikipedia would spit out the arms that matched that combo of charges. There is currently no way of doing this anywhere, even in the print works on national heraldry, let alone across national boundaries. Obviously, I'm one of those who say Keep up the good work!Bill 20:01, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Herby

Ok wstawilem tabelki - troche to roboty :) Co do artykulu, podam Ci linki zwiazane z tematyka:

--Emax 17:43, 16 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Ziemie w Prusiech

I think we need the map to be so big. Thanks for the present but it didn't go in, did it? Prusak z Górczewskiej

Sometimes it goes in after a while. When I corrected Adam Carr's map of Prussia (I had to open Zalew Wiślany) it went in after 2 weeks. But go ahead and send it to me on spacecadet123@inorbit.com. Thanks, Prusak z Woly

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Geography_of_Poland

To co z tym bedzie? Czy problem zostal rozwiazany? Poniewaz zastanawiam sie, czy dodawac kolejne powiaty. Czy bedzie zmieniana nazwa z gmin/powiatow na cos innego? co z szablonami? i czy mam przemalowac tla w mapkach powiatow na niebiesko (tak jak w Pana dzielach) bo to zaden problem.. Tylko narazie stoje w miejscu z praca ;]. Fqsik 20:38, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

OK. poprzerabiałem mapki w np. ładnie widac to w Bieszczady_County są większe, niebieskie (jak w twoje :) ) i dodatkowo mają cień. Co do tabelki to imho wszystko to co teraz jest o powiatach można wrzucić do tabelki, ale wtedy nie zostanie nic na treść :). A o powiatach to nie ma się co rozpisywać.
Jeśli chcesz to zrób...tabelka może byc podobna do :
Blabla County
County Coat of Arms
In Polish blabla
Voivodship (*) Subcarpathian
County site (**) something
Largest City? asd, asd, asd :)
Area ....
Population ...
Density? ...
Ilosc communes? 3246
Communes? asd, asdf, asddf
Mapa?

(*) maybe Province?

(**) maybe Residence City?

Jeszcze to ladnie posprzatac i poukladac :). Fqsik 16:17, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)


Thank you, and Community thank you.

But... in Bieszczady_County in 'communes' section is [[Czarna commune|Czarna]]. In your table in section 'communes' is [[Czarna]] without 'commune'.Should I change this to [[Czarna commune|Czarna]] ?

pl:Szablon:Symbol

pytanie o to .. moze prosto "download" zedjecia z internetie na strone miasto? .. okay .. in english ;o) .. can i simply take pics from offical pages of cities? or is this more difficult (in germany we are not to sure, we think we could but we ask the town before normaly .. just to make sure ;) ..Sicherlich 12:31, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

dzieki .. tak to pomoc mnie! .. i added your comment to the German talk page de:Vorlage Diskussion:Bild-PD-PL ...Sicherlich 22:14, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Our Lady of Ostra Brama

Halibutt, You might mention that the place is known in Lithuanian as Ausros Vartu. When I was there in '98 the cult, as you called it, seemed still to be attracting many Catholics.

User:sca


Cedynia

okay wszystko jedno dla mnie ;) ... i just think it is not that much important for the polish history more for the German one . but anyway the category is not important for me ;) .... by the way; makes it sense to put cities in this category? .. i mean then you need to put somehow all cities in it? ... because all of them had theire contribution to the polish history .. but as i sad; not important for me; specially as it is not the German Wikipedia ;) Gruesse aus Deutschland ;o) ...Sicherlich 10:10, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Hey z Warszawa jestesz? czasami jestem tam ... w tym roku chyba nie ale chyba "once" jest moszliwe ze spotkamy! ;o) ... Ich werde keine Kategorie hinzufügen. Das soll besser jemand machen, der sich mehr damit beschäftigt! (mam najdzieje źe rozumiesz!) ...Sicherlich 15:52, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

User:Emax

Hey Halibutt,

I wanted to bring your attention to this user, who from his behavior appears to be the same as User:Caius2ga,User:Gdansk,User:PolishPoliticians, and so forth. I know that we've had fairly strong disagreements about how to deal with Central European naming issues, but I hope that we can agree that this user is not a constructive contributor to Wikipedia. His interventions do nothing but make any progress on these issues impossible. Essentially, he blindly reverts to his preferred version until all these articles get protected, then leaves. Then, when they get unprotected, he comes back under a new name and does it again. As long as he participates in this stuff, we'll never make any progress towards consensus (and I think we've been slowly coming towards agreement). So, I was hoping that we could agree on some way to deal with him before this gets out of control again. john k 00:35, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Ten czlowiek ma jakies paranoje :)--Emax 00:48, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

See the histories for Gdansk and Szczecin - he reverted five times on the former (I reverted 4 times before giving up). He has not discussed what he's doing in either instance, which is highly characteristic of PolishPoliticians (btw, what is he saying in Polish up there? I must say I find it irksome when somebody talks about me in a language I don't understand). He does seem to do some useful work - but so did PP/C2ga/Gdansk. Also note that some of his work seems to be adding people to Category:Polish politicians, which seems mildly suspicious - that is to say, they seem to share the same interests. At any rate, even if he is not PP, his behavior should be unacceptable - on Gdansk, at least, he has reverted five times without ever explaining why he is reverting, or attempting to engage with me on talk, even though I was trying to be pretty low key on Talk:Gdansk (a bit less low key in my edit summaries, I will admit). As to the argument with Gzornenplatz, I was trying to come up with a compromise on the initial stuff that would be generally acceptable, as I explained on the talk page. Looking through his history, I notice a number of edit conflicts between Emax and User:Hajduk, who seems as though he may be a Nico-like German exile POV pusher. I'll say right now that I don't approve of him either, and he seems to be stirring up more trouble, generally. I'll add that I can't find much in the way of offensive editing by Emax before today, and that on Royal Prussia, he has reverted to a version that was itself disliked by PolishPoliticians. I just kind of assumed that he was PP because his behavior wrt Gdansk looked very similar to PP's. Now I'm not so sure - PP would have reverted, and then added a lengthy list of hardware stores in Gdansk, so that he could then protest that people reverting him were reverting all the wonderful information he had added to the article. Emax hasn't done that. So I don't know that he is PP, and will withdraw that explanation (BTW, I'm writing this response piecemeal as I look over Emax's history, so it isn't all that consistent within itself).

At any rate, I will say that it no longer seems obvious or clear to me that Emax is PP, but I still feel like there are enough similarities to warrant some suspicion. So I'm going to keep an eye out. In the meanwhile, perhaps you could encourage him to express his concerns about Gdansk, in particular, at Talk:Gdansk. john k 06:20, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

WRT Gdansk, I think part of the problem is that we aren't exactly clear on what the consensus is, so that when new users come in and mess with things, none of us really wants to go in and fight over it, because we're afraid that we'll get into a dispute not only with that person, but with the other people with whom we've been having (much more civil) disagreements about similar topics on policy pages and so forth. Thus, I'm not very confident in dealing with Emax's reversions, because we don't really have a set policy, and I'm afraid that I'll not only irritate him, but irritate you and others, by reverting him. I'm sure the same thing, in reverse, happens. And it's especially complicated when we have the whole formerly/German mess, because there seem to be at least five different positions, and 10 different rationales, making it almost impossible to figure out what the "consensus" is. At any rate, as to Emax, yeah, I jumped the gun. I would like to see faster progress towards consensus at the policy page - I think we need to figure out what we're doing. On the formerly/German question, my opinion is that "German:Danzig" is bad, since it is misleading, and that "former German name Danzig" is even worse, since it is both awkward and misleading. I prefer "formerly Danzig," which seems to be hardly, if at all, misleading, and is also not awkward at all, but there seems to be strong opposition to this. But surely there is some other phrase which could be found that everyone could agree to. That's what I was trying to do with "formerly known by its German name Danzig" which is somewhat awkward, but at least good English (unlike "former German name Danzig") and seems to be pretty clear on the exact nature of what we're talking about...Ech, I should go to bed. Oh, also, if you get the change, could you translate what you said to Emax on his talk page? john k 07:38, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

o.. wiez sam kto ;) ..*jak na Harry Potterego ;o)

no cholera .. co to z ta miastą na morze.... tak jestem wysiedleniec .... ja chce granica jak był przed wojna ... jak głupie on jest .. też cztaj jego strona jeszli chzesz ;o) ...no tylko chciałbym mowić to kogoś ;o) ... nie widze ze bede jakisz "solution" :o(...Sicherlich 18:45, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)

dzieki .. ale wszystko rozumialem ;) ... jeszli nie .. no mam gg i pytam ktos tam ;) (jeszly tez masz; 3449504).. kto sa te innych 2 osoby? AHZ i AN chyba? .. chyba jestemy faszysty ... i tylko uczymy sie polski poniewasz jest dobra jeszli rozumiesz twoj wrog <rotfl> ...Sicherlich 20:32, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
odpowiedzialem .. ;) ...Sicherlich

Armia Ludowa

As it is your area of expertise please have a look at Armia Ludowa. I just put it together from another web page and I do not know if it is accurate. also was there a relationship between 1st Polish Army and Armia Ludowa? Philip Baird Shearer 12:32, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Talk:Bombing of Dresden in World War II

If you are interested please cast a vote in the straw poll.

Gzorenplatz

i dont know if you are interested to know; Gzorenplatz is banned again from the German wikipedia (because of edit wars) ... but i think he will never learn or at least understand it :o( ... he says he wants to discuss but at the same moment he is editing everything ... ah you know .. the same he is doing at the english-Wikipedia :( ...Sicherlich 08:29, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)

thanks! .. just i think .. he will never understand it :( ... because he is right and he knows it because it is his oppinion ... and there cant be on earth that proves that he is wrong ... no cholera .. juz piszem to samo nie wiem jak dluga razy...but i wanted to say thank you ... oh his bann is not final ... actually it would be mean to ask for a final ban; because as soon as he appears he starts edit-wars and than he gets banned ... it would be quite unfair to ban someone without giving him the chance to say something .. just .. you can let him say something as he starts immeditaly edit wars ;) ...Sicherlich 17:19, 28 Oct 2004 (UTC)
You may want to say something at Talk:Katowice. :> --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 09:59, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Maria Antonina Czaplicka

Thank you for fleshing out the article Maria Antonina Czaplicka. It would be nice if we could post a photo of Maria as well. Do you think the archives at Oxford might have one? Also, you wrote, The result of her first trip was a book Aboriginal Siberia, published in 1914. I read that this was her thesis (at Oxford?) before it was a book. Is that correct? --Viriditas 02:26, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Tabelki

Widzialem ze robisz tabelki (prezydentow), moze za jednym zamachem, zrobisz odrazu premierow, hetmanow, krolow itd? :)--Emax 14:12, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Tak, lepsze sa tabelki od tych ktore ja wstawilem.
List of Polish Prime Ministers
Hetman
Presidents_of_Poland, Chairman of the Council of State, First Secretary of the Central Committee
List of Polish rulers
Dukes of Silesia (podzialy na Wroclaw itd.)
Dukes of Masovia
Dukes of Greater Poland (podzialy na Duchy of Gniezno itd.)
Dukes of Sieradz-Leczyca (podzialy na Dukes of Sieradz itd.)

Mozna by bylo jeszcze zrobic tabelki, ministrow finansow itd. i glowno dowodzacych armii polski, ale narazie nie mam zrodla.--Emax 15:57, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Jeszcze jedna sprawa, co sadzisz o tym by zrobic tabelke (info box) dla generalow, cos w stylu ORP Orzel, tyle ze z bordowym tlem (borowy wydaje mi sie najbardziej, pasujacy, ale mozna i inny) i zamiast flagi wstawic stopnie jak ten (w mniejszym formacie) File:General Czterogwiazdkowy.jpg, troche sie nameczylem, ale stworzylem taki :) Dodatkowo do nizszych rangi rowniez mozna powstawiac, (zrobie nowe) - potrzebny jest tu jednak Twoj talent "tabelkowy" ;) --Emax 18:46, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Swietnie, co do pozycji zrobilem poziomy do info boxu, orginalnie mam pionowy. Co do polboga, photoshop jest polbogiem ;) Z reszta stopni nie bedzie problemu--Emax 19:08, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Marszalek zrobiony (wstawilem u siebie na stronie usera), w razie gdyby kolor sie kiepsko zmienial, jeszcze raz poziome wladuje. Narazie pionowe porobie--Emax 19:46, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Niestety PNG wychodza mi zawsze jakies "koslawe" (nie wiem nawet dlaczego), w razie czego bedzie je mozna kiedys tam zamienic na png--Emax 20:18, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Hmm, miejsce urodzenia, smierci, daty, daty awansow, medale i obecna lub ostatnia jednostke ktora kierowal, stopien z obrazkiem. Mozna by bylo jeszcze dotac udzial w wazniejszych bitwach. Mysle ze taka tabelka to dobry sprawa, na pierwszy rzut oka, oddaje najwazniejsze informacje, zamiast sie grzebac w calym artkyule w ich poszukiwaniu :) Dodatkowo, ladnie tabelki wygladaja--Emax 20:45, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Ok wszystkie stopnie wojska ladowego gotowe, jeszcze moze zrobie marynarki i lotnictwa, jezeli nie beda trudne--Emax 23:58, 30 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Tak, wiekszosc stopni marynarki jest juz na pl. wiki., za jakis czas je wladuje tutaj i dorobie reszte brakujacych. Swietny artykul o Gromie napisales. Masz juz jakis projekt wstepny co do tabelki dla generalow?--Emax 00:59, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Swietnie wyglada tabelka ktora stworzyles, dodalem stopien generala do wersji testowej, jezeli tlo zostanie czarne, wladuje dzis wieczrem wszystkie stopnie w poziomie na czarnym tle :).--Emax 12:40, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
W sumie z czarnym ladnie wyglada, szczegolnie zielony pagon lepiej wyglada na czarnym tle jak na szarym, ale poprobuj moze cos jeszcze lepszego wyjdzie :) Co do nazw, niema sprawy, a Polish Army ladnie sie zaczyna zapowiadac :)--Emax 17:43, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)
I jak, zostanie czarny kolor w tabelkach generalow? Jesli tak, to wladuje na czarnym tle poziome.--Emax 18:53, 7 Nov 2004 (UTC)

About the social life of Poland in 1939

Dear Sir, I am Arun Kumar from India. I am a first year college student in History. I want a small favour from you on my search for information about Poland. Please let me know if you could provide me any information on Poland, its people, its culture, food, houses, expenses and procedure for building a house, main occupation of men and women, religion(s), social life, modes of entertainment(theatres, operas, stage dramas,etc), about gambling, prizes and other offers in magazines, quiz competitions, churches, places of religious importance, any place where Poland was attacked in the evening duriing world war (or in 1939), main newspapers or publication during 1939, also newspaper archives sources of 1939,etc...in short almost everything about Poland during the 1938 - 1939 period would be of immense help. Any suggestions, links on the internet, books which i could access from India,etc. I have searched the websites using the prominent search engines but was of no support. If you could help me i would be really, really thankful to you. The topics that i have mentioned are related to the year 1938-1939 only. (Not the present 2004 as my Project Title is POLAND AS ON 1939).

Please let me know if you could help me. My email id is thought3@rediffmail.com or arunthesun@yahoo.com

Arrows

I have a silly question regarding this map and the GIMP: how do you create those great arrows?

None of the credit for the arrows is mine -- I just traced the outlines of most of them using paths. If you download the out-dated source file (Image:Waterloo campaign map.xcf.gz) all the arrow paths are included. (I haven't been able to upload the revised source file.) Geoff/Gsl 22:11, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Pilsudski

Czesc, Halibutt. No tak, masz calkowita racje. Na usprawiedliwinie podam, ze nie jest to moja ulubiona postac historyczna. Szopen 08:23, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Please don't edit war with Gzornenplatz

Since I'm going to enforce the 3 revert rule quite strictly with him, it is important that everyone else adhere to it scrupulously as well. Jimbo Wales 17:09, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

reverts

could you revert Glogow - i dont want to because not to give a slight chance that this might be against the 3RVR ...Sicherlich 10:23, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

ogg files

Please have a look at Commons:Pronunciation files requests.
--tsca
19:59, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)

Media:Pl-Zielona_Góra.ogg jest źle nagrany.
--tsca
20:09, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC)

category

Your category was listed on WP:CFD. It was connected to the main space via a higher category. Categories are not for organizing personal work; you can (and have) created a subpage off of your user page for that. - UtherSRG 11:29, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Apologies on behalf of everyone at WP:CFD for there not being a {{cfd}} tag on your category before it was deleted. I dropped a note on the talk page of the person who originally nominated it reminding them about the tag. Other people who looked at it while it was on the page probably should have noticed it was missing, too. I'll definitely personally keep a bigger eye out for that sort of thing in the future. Wikipedia maintenance categories are often mistakenly targeted for deletion, since they look like accidents or in need of tidying up (which of course they are, but not by merely deleting them). If you happen to create any more categories that you are just using to keep temporary track of articles while you work on them, I've found that overzealous cleaner-uppers can be warded off with a short explanation on the category page about why the category exists, and that it will automatically self-destruct when no longer needed, or whatever. Also, pre-emptively parenting them under Category:Wikipedia maintenance should help ward off the vultures. Sorry again, Beland 04:54, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

forgetting Poland

No, how could I forget Poland. I don't think I did, but the Polish campaign was hardly part of the same war as what's covered by the article on the Eastern Front, i.e. what the Russians call the Great Patriotic War.

But wouldn't it be fair to tell that the Soviet Union actually didn't succeed in their attempted invasion of Finland? After all, they managed to take eastern Poland and the Baltic republics, but only some tenth of Finland, which was far less then they had aspired to. /M.L.

I replied at the Talk:Eastern Front (WWII) page. [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]] 08:36, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

Polish music

Thanks for the kind words on music of Poland! Tuf-Kat 14:13, Nov 9, 2004 (UTC)

Finns

I think you must remember that Finns, like Poles, have lived in the shadow of the Soviet power and distorted Allied propaganda. One must also consider that Finns rightfully feel "proven right by history". In the 1930s, it was common to regard Finns, as Poles, as warmonging exaggerated Nationalists, aiming at expanding their country at the expense of their peaceful neighbours. And Soviet propaganda actually had some success to explain the necessity of a border adjustment, that in retrospect only would have served the purpose to make Finland easier to penetrate. Having been told that Stalin was a nice man who surely wouldn't attack unprovoked, and who surely didn't attempt to conquer Finland, distrustful Finns feel that now, after access to Soviet archives was granted, if not before, the rest of the world finally must understand the danger Finland was in. You are pushing wrong buttons, by hinting at Stalin maybe was a nice man who didn't intend to take more than the homes of 412,000 Karelians, Finland's industrial heart and power source, and cause some "minor" disturbance in Finland's food production, since the thesis of "limited" aims (much more limited than so!) was purported by Soviet propaganda both before and after the war. --Johan Magnus 16:23, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Moved to Talk:Eastern Front (WWII). [[User:Halibutt|Halibutt]]

Przenoszenie na Commons

Witaj. Otóż widzisz, cały problem w tym, że en-Wiki nie obsługuje kodowania UTF-8 w tytułach stron i nazwy plików z polskimi znakami (i innymi diakrytykami) wysypują się. Dlatego w Poznan nie pokazują się jedynie koziołki, a reszta działa pięknie, mimo iz jest na Commons. Mea culpa = nie zwróciłem na to uwagi wcześniej. Dzięki za informacje - postaram się to jakoś załatwić. --TOR 21:47, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

List of battles in battleboxes - how?

How do u add those lists? I need to correct some linls (like Lwow 39 or Raszyn 20, they lists to disambigs). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 10:08, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Polish-Bolshevik War

Curzon's Note to the Soviet Government is related to Curzon Line only indirectly (Lord Curzon is the same, though). The note in question called a great stir in Bolshevist Russia, in 1921, I believe; also being called Curzon's Ultimatum. To my weak memories, two things pissed bolsheviks off: demand to cease war with Poles and demand to cease hostilities with baron Wrangel. The latter was interpreted as a demand of cesession of Crimea. My memories are very vague. I remember enormous propaganda under the slogan "Nash otvet Kerzonu" (Our answer to Curzon) (not to be confused with "nash otvet Chemberlenu", related to the development of the soviet aviation). I entered this link into your article just not to forget to write an article; it was certainly a notable event in the Soviet history. Actually, it could be two or three such notes. I need to do research. I believe one of them was also related to the fate of Russian Orthodox Patriarch Tikhon of Moscow. Mikkalai 18:30, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

szablon województw

Cześć! Zrobiłem na pl-wiki szablon infoboxu dla województw (pl:Szablon:Woj16 infobox), niestety u nas nie ma nikogo osób, które by chciały przedyskutować, czy coś tam jest nie tak. Rzuć na to okiem, może uznasz, że coś trzeba dodać, usunąć, zmienić, a potem możnaby to przenieść do Wikipedia:WikiProject Geography of Poland. Pozdrawiam! Slawojarek 10:43, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Dzięki za to miodzio :) Staram się jak mogę, choć nie mam w ogóle czasu. Ja się jeszcze zastanawiam nad tym wojewodą, czy on jest rzeczywisci najważniejszy w województwie? Pytanka do ciebie: miejsce na mapę - tzn. na mapę województwa z podziałem na powiaty, o to ci chodzi? a tworzysz takie? ;) Jeszcze ten podział artykułów - chodzi ci o takie województwa jak np. krakowskie, które znikało i pojawiało się w innym kształcie? bardzo dobry pomysł. to jak robisz english version? see you Slawojarek 12:15, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sam zastanawiałem się czy można coś takiego zrobić (tzn. frazy warunkowe), ale nie miałem się kogo spytać... Chyba nie. Jeżeli chodzi o mapy to zostańmy przy jednej - lokalizującej województwo na mapie Polski, resztę można umieścić w tekście, bo w przeciwnym razie tabelka byłaby większa niż sam tekst :) Slawojarek 16:28, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Gall Anonymous wasn't Polish! He was an anonymous Gall

Sorry for the time it's taken me, I didn't know how to answer. Here's the reply:

For me (not an English native!) a "Polish chronicle writer" states a person of Polish origin/citizenship etc. We's probably agree it's rather not the place to discuss Gall's nationality, but I'd change "Polish chronicle writer" to a "writer of chronicles on Poland", or whatever is relevant to the context. I'm going to change (restore) what was erased if you hadn't done so. Sorry for trouble, I'm still a newbie.


ADDED: I'm confused. There's no such entry as Gall Anonymous....

GNU-FDL

Czesc Halibutt,

piszalem cos do Sascha ... ale nie wiem czy bede sukces poniewasz on jest troche dziwnie .. i mysle ze on rozumie po angelsku (ale niewiem) .. jeszli ja widze zdjecia jak ta mapa z Sascha ja juz wiem i piszem skad to jest ;) ... ah znasz juz commons? .. ja teraz robie wszystkie grafiki na commons ... hmm a i cos innego .... nasz przyjaciel nic nie robi w Polsce .. hmm ....zobaczymy jak dlugo ...Sicherlich 23:57, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • one more thing: masz jakisz program dla nagrywać (record) rozmowa? mam mikrofon ale nie mam programm ;) ...Sicherlich 00:03, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • dzieki! tak audio recording .. how ever it is in polish ;) ...Sicherlich 00:12, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
      • i jeszcze raz dzieki ;) uczyc sie polskiego na Wikipedia ;) bardzi fajnie ;) ...Sicherlich 08:52, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Czuma na zdjęciu

Gdzies w necie, gdy latam po stronach historycznych, sciagam sobie ciekawe zdjecia. Wladowalem stopnie (poziome), wiec kilka poprawek w template i mozna zaczac umieszczac w artykulach :)--Emax 06:04, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Prezydenci itd

Zrobilem dwa template dla pierwszego sekretarza i przewodniczacego rady panstwa - teraz troche sie gubie bo chyba te osoby dodales do tabelki prezydentow i premierow tak?--Emax 11:20, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Moim zdaniem lepiej wykasowac ich z tabelki "Prezydenci" i zostawic odzielna - scisle biorac nie byli prezydentami. I jeszcze jedna sprawa - w tabelce prezydentow, nieda sie tych paskow (szary, bialy) dociagnac do samego konca prawej strony tabelki (jak w tabelce premierow)? --Emax 11:58, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Tylko Bieruta jako prezydenta "Republic of Poland" (1944-1952) zostaw.--Emax 12:16, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Albo moze nie, bo z jednym smiesznie wyglada - niech bedzie w kom. tabelce.:)--Emax 12:22, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)
A co do linkowania, istnieje jakis artykul o pierwszych sekretarzach?--Emax 12:16, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Very good job!

Naprawde porzadna robota jezeli chodzi o strony tyczace Raginisa i bitwy pod WIzna. Kiedy Ty masz na to wszystko czas? :)) Szopen 10:08, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Dopiero teraz obejrzalem sobie mape na Ducal Prussii. Piekna. Mam zamiar zuploadowac 3 mapy panstwa Krzyzackiego. Byloby fajnie gdybys je przerobil po swojemu. Trzymka. Rychu z Woly aka Space Cadet 13:34, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)